[Delwin]

Great, here goes the KKK propaganda again.

Here is a proper debunking of the Color of crime

The Color of Deception: Race, Crime and Sloppy Social Science

http://www.timwise.org/2004/11/race-cri ... l-science/

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

To fucking bad. You reap what you sow

Reap what you sow ia how police ended up with BLM im the first place. When will you righties learn that when you brutalize people, eventually you will find yourself on the receiving end of an extreme reactionary response.

When will 15% of the population stop committing 85% of the crime and for the record I've had more night sticks up the side of my head by American Police officers both civilian and military than most of those blacks that are screaming about the crimes a minority of police officers commit.


So, stop the sanctimonious left wing excuses. Blacks commit crimes at a rate much higher than whites, blacks commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than whites so do blacks deserve to be shot when not committing a crime, no but, until the blacks stop raising generations of thugs who think Boyz in the Hood and Colours are training films they're going to continue to be stereotyped as criminals till proven innocent especially since the police want to go home at night, just like everyone else..

$1:

New Century Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organization founded in 1994 to study immigration and race relations so as to better understand the consequences of America’s increasing diversity.

Perhaps the most important publication of New Century Foundation is The Color of Crime, New Century Foundation’s report on differences in crime rates by race, bias in the justice system, and interracial crime. First published as a monograph in 1999, the 2005 edition of The Color of Crime is available online as a free PDF download.

Watch Jared Taylor’s June 2, 1999, announcement on C-SPAN of the publication of The Color of Crime (video).

Major Findings

Click here for the free PDF version.
Click here to read on Scribd.
Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
The Color of Crime is an expanded version of a monograph on crime first published by NCF in 1999. The older version of the report is located here.

http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/t ... -of-crime/

You know, I don't expect people to know how tall the CN Tower is, or even come up with a close guess just by looking at it. But if they think it's something absurd like 40,000 feet I just feel sorry for their stupidity. If you think 15% of the population commits 85% of the crime I feel sorry for you.

While it's true poor people are involved on both sides of crime, and Blacks are more likely to be poor therefore higher representation in crime statistics (as perps and as victims), basic number sense taught to grade schoolers would tell a normal person the well-debunked figures you cited aren't even remotely plausible.

Furthermore nobody deserves to be shot in the back while running away for driving with a broken tail light or choked to death while yelling "I can't breathe" for selling loose cigarettes based on their race.

You wouldn't accept police harassing you because of things that I have done, and I'm the same race as you

You can go ahead and drag yp all the white supremacist arguments you want, you're nothing but ignorance and fear and old age masquerading as logic and your opinion matters as much to the rest of the world as it does to me

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

Great, here goes the KKK propaganda again.

Here is a proper debunking of the Color of crime

The Color of Deception: Race, Crime and Sloppy Social Science

http://www.timwise.org/2004/11/race-cri ... l-science/

Why is it Regressives always try to pass their side of the argument off as debunking. The claim seems to be the "science is in". The argument is over.

Except it isn't.

I was reading both sides of that argument you're referring to a while ago.

As I recall it goes something like this. The New Century guy claims to be some sort of racial segregationist or something. We can call him a racist if you like.

Now this Tim clown has nothing to brag about either. He is dripping in Prog. He doesn't want to lose the side of the argument that allows him to virtue signal as protector of the victim class. Personally, I think it's about being more comfortable encouraging the racial divide for people like Tim. It allows them to think of themselves as champions of the downtrodden. Who's responsible for this trodding down in the first place is something else Tim would like to "debunk" if he heard my opinion on it, I bet.

But basically we've got the racist versus race baiter.

Now as I recall Tim, the 'blacks as victims' guy relies on colorful turns of phrases and appeal to emotion. I remember him puffing himself up about "torpedoing" the other guy's argument or something like that.

Except he didn't.

I also remember him offering up some social scientist's opinion as if it was fact. It wasn't.

I think the New Century Foundation, racist guy is named Edwin, isn't he? The advantage Edwin has over Tim currently is he has updated his Color of Crime. Even if Edwin is a disrespectable guy the big problem Tim is going to have with his "debunking" now is Edwin has current statistics from credible sources that pretty much counter every argument Tim made in 2004.

In other words it's Tim who is thoroughly "debunked" by the numbers now.

Don't believe me. Feel free to check it out and argue with the most recent numbers.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the ... d-edition/

What I mean is "yeah, I know. Edwin's a jerk. You like Tim." Don't care myself. The numbers are from credible sources and they don't support your or Tim's argument. Edwin collected the stats. They're current. They have not been "debunked".

[andyt]

Imagine what a wonderful country the USA could be if it only didn't have those dirty blacks committing 85% of the crime. Hell it would surpass Switzerland and Iceland as a haven of peace and good order.

Now Canada has similar crime rates to the USA, except for gun crime. In fact we are told that Canada has higher property crime rate than the US because we all don't carry guns. Our black population is 3%. Man, those must be busy muthas, especially in the West, where we don't seem to have many at all. Of course for Canada we can blame the FN's for our crime.

The disgusting shit that some people here believe.

[ShepherdsDog]

http://globalnews.ca/news/2815411/polic ... -facebook/

Things are progressing from ridiculous to I don't know what.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Imagine what a wonderful country the USA could be if it only didn't have those dirty blacks committing 85% of the crime. Hell it would surpass Switzerland and Iceland as a haven of peace and good order.

Now Canada has similar crime rates to the USA, except for gun crime. In fact we are told that Canada has higher property crime rate than the US because we all don't carry guns. Our black population is 3%. Man, those must be busy muthas, especially in the West, where we don't seem to have many at all. Of course for Canada we can blame the FN's for our crime.

The disgusting shit that some people here believe.

The only disgusting thing here is your unwillingness to see the forest for the trees because of a blind adherence to a warped idealism that makes excuses for and protects a culture that's gone completely off the rails in a violent manner.

If you're so concerned that the statistics I posted are lies then please feel free to show me the true ones that prove blacks aren't 15% of the population, don't commit a larger percentage of crimes than other races and definitely don't commit more violent crimes.

But that Canadian thing was a nice strawman none the less.

[Thanos]

Yeah, but you're ideological liberals and that means there's two things you can never do because you'd have to turn in your club ID badge and decoder ring:

1) you can never admit, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, that any of your theories are wrong and that when implemented they cause social disaster on a colossal scale
2) you can never admit, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, that any of your pet groups of perpetual "victims" have feet of clay of their own and that like anyone else most of their problems are within their own power to fix even if for whatever reason they choose not to do so

Personally I think that most liberals are just like the kind of right-wingers that look the other way when their one of their job creator bankers abscond with all the cash or one of their "moral" men behind the pulpit gets caught accosting the altar boys. You look away from the flaws of your approved groups quite easily and quickly because you can't ever accept that what you believe about them is simply wrong, no matter how many times they prove how wrong you are with their daily actions and activities. The sacrialization of the victims must continue without interruption and damn anyone who ever says otherwise.

[Freakinoldguy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2815411/police-officer-shoots-man-breaking-into-home-over-black-lives-matter-argument-on-facebook/

Things are progressing from ridiculous to I don't know what.

$1:

St. Louis County police say 20-year-old Tyler Gebhard threw a 50-pound concrete planter through a window to enter the officer’s Lakeshire home Saturday evening. The officer, who wasn’t identified, then shot him.

Nope no intent to cause harm by the deceased there. The officers actions were completely unwarranted and constitute a hate crime especially since the kid probably just wanted to explain the BLM movement to the Officer and throwing the planter through the window was just his way of saying "hi we should get together and discuss our differences".

(Sarcasm off)

[Thanos]

Waiting for one of the anti-cop mutts somewhere to raise their voice in anger to say that cop had no right to defend his family and home from that psycho simply because he is a cop. Give it time and some d-bag is sure to say it.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

NIBRS data come disproportionately from smaller police departments. In 2013, only 10 percent of the population covered by the system lived in cities of 250,000 and greater. What do arrest statistics show for large metropolitan areas?

New York City, for example, does not participate in NIBRS but it records the races of arrested offenders, and consistently distinguishes between whites and Hispanics. In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

White: 2.9 percent

Black: 61.8 percent

Hispanic: 31.8 percent

Asian: 2.7 percent

Other: 0.8 percent

Police take murder very seriously and investigate all cases carefully. Press and judicial system scrutiny are high. Arrest rates for murder therefore track actual crime rates more closely than for any other crime. Murder is probably the crime for which it would be most difficult for police to make “biased” arrests even if they wanted.

Stats for more areas are available at link.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the ... d-edition/

[N_Fiddledog]

Fortunately for Del and Tim there is another Data set that might be more helpful to them if they would like to join us in 2015 and try out their "debunking skills" again.

There's a problem for them though. The larger metropolitan areas seem to have black offender rates more like New York.

However, it wouldn't be fair not to mention the NIBRS.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/n ... egory-2013

$1:

In 2013, 6,328 law enforcement agencies covering approximately 29 percent of the US population reported crime to the FBI using NIBRS categories, which include races of reported offenders as well as races of persons arrested. It is reasonable to assume that both the racial mix of this massive sample and the behavior of police officers are representative of the entire United States.

NIBRS data come disproportionately from smaller police departments. In 2013, only 10 percent of the population covered by the system lived in cities of 250,000 and greater.

The black offender rates don't seem as scary in raw numbers, but you would have to compute the much smaller segment of the population committing those crimes.

[Thanos]

Go back to the 1920's and '30's and thanks to Prohibition and the rise of the Mafia the highest rates in major American cities would be among Italians and Irish instead of blacks. Go back to late 1980's and early '90's Toronto and the highest rates would be among Vietnamese because of the non-stop gang war they were having with each other back then. This is what statistics are, just a measure of who's doing what at any given time. It's not something to have a personal freak out over just because it unfortunately and uncomfortably deflates someone's political dogma.

[N_Fiddledog]

Well let's look at a wider area then. How about California?

$1:

California is one of the few states that treat whites, blacks, and Hispanics separately, so there can be no confusion about how many Hispanics are being counted as whites. The NIBRS data, together with academic studies of policing that find little racial bias in arrests, suggest that arrest figures are probably realistic indices of the different rates at which people of different races commit crime (see Table 4).

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the ... d-edition/

According to that blacks are 5 times more likely than whites to be committing violent crimes in California in 2013.

Hispanics - about the same. 1.42 times more likely than whites.

Other races come out to .48 times as likely.

OK, so we heard the reasons Italians, Irish, and Vietnamese might be committing more crimes of certain types at particular times in particular regions.

Let's hear the explanation for why blacks are committing 5 times the violent crime of any other race in California in 2013.

[N_Fiddledog]

Hang on a sec. I figured I'd better double check the above. He didn't offer a link, but he said, "Data sources: CA Dept. of Justice, “Crime in California,” 2002 and 2013", so I Googled.

The 2015 stats are available now. I went there. They say Homicides are the stat that is most likely to be honest, so I clicked that one. Things appear to have changed.

$1:

Of the homicides where the victim’s race/
ethnicity was identified, 43.3 percent of victims
were Hispanic, 28.4 percent were black, 21.3
percent were white, and 7.0 percent were
categorized as “Other.”

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agwe ... 5/hm15.pdf

That appears to speak to what you were saying, I think Thanos, because didn't Obama open the borders in 2015?

Nevertheless, if you calculate in the smaller segment of the black population in relation to whites they're still committing a much higher rate of homicides.

[Freakinoldguy]

Yup the police are all definitely out of control.
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